Status of upgrades to groups and friend network  

Andrew 53M  
1875 posts
5/7/2006 8:32 pm

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5/14/2006 2:28 am

Status of upgrades to groups and friend network

As you might have noticed, the much anticipated upgrades didn't go live last week. Here's what happened and the current status (for those who don't want to read the details, we are going to try to upgrade again Monday/Tuesday of this coming week)... starting with smaller sites.

Both:
Currently, the site displays members of groups or friend networks regardless if that member's profile is available or if they are still a member of the site. Doing this makes it easier to get a count of members (b/c we don't have to check if each is active). The new code will check to see the status of each member before showing it to you. While it's fast for small groups and networks, those with 10,000+ members bog down. Much of our work this past week was to find ways to speed this up (the way databases work, if any pages are slow, it could slow down currently fast pages).

The new upgrades will let you sort groups and friends by last login, age, date joined network, handle, etc.

One thing people will notice right away is that the number of friends/members shown on main pages will be different than what they see on friends/member lists. This is because the larger number is the total number of candidates and the smaller is only the number of members who have an active profile. While we put text on the page to explain things, there will be people who freak out.

Group Changes:
- Very large groups will automatically have activity requirements for members to be shown as active. This is helpful for groups with 100,000 "members" who don't contribute to the group as well as helps speed up the display of members.
- The format of group members will also change and look more similar to search result listings (with links to view blogs, etc).

Friend Network Changes:

- We will only show the most recent 100 invites at a time. Some members get thousands of invites that they don't respond to. By requiring a decision on the first 100 before seeing more, members will know if their invites are accepted earlier. We will also delete invites that are older than 3 months.

- One delay has been in internal debate on how friend "links" are maintained. One-way verses Two-way. Currently, if either party of a friendship removes the other from his/her list, the removed person still sees the other in his/her list. Doing this enables people to keep track of "potential" friends but can get confusing. If we break both links when either member cuts the friend link, then friends would "disappear" from the member's list. I'm personally leaning towards making this change (feedback please?) but it will not be part of this release.

Friends and groups code has been around for over five years and had too many patches on patches added. Before fixing bugs and adding features, the goal is to simplify the software. This will make future improvements easier to do. We have reduced the size of the software by over 4,000 lines since this process started three weeks ago.

I share member's frustration that the improvements didn't make it live last week. We just want to ensure that the upgrades will be an improvement (faster, less buggy, and more capability). I'm not only the CEO, I'm a member too... will do all I can to help get upgrades live as soon as possible. Thanks so much for your patience.


MyHeartLost4U 56M
2337 posts
5/7/2006 2:58 pm

"If we break both links when either member cuts the friend link, then friends would "disappear" from the member's list. I'm personally leaning towards making this change (feedback please?) but it will not be part of this release"

I personally would say break the links cleanly on both ends. If a member decides to remove a member from their network of friends, how do you declare the individuals as friends?

In concerns to Groups:

Will these updates with the removal of 4000 lines help speed up the process of postings through the database? Majority of members are getting frustrated that their postings can and have been taking up to 72 hours to being displayed and are losing many postings that they submitted. I know over the weekend alone in my own group that at least 12 postings of mine were lost completely.

I know that the postings are scanned for certain words or phrases, but for the life of me I do not understand why the affiliate sites of Various Inc. are within that scanning process when it is no mystery to the members that the sites are linked together; such as Passion, Hotmatch, Adult-Friend-Finder, etc... and if abbreviated they are edited. Just my opinion that their is unnecessary clutter in the scans of postings.

Nick


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 3:23 pm:
Just people will complain that their friends "disappeared" if we cut both links (can't please everyone)

Yes, once the code is cleaned up, we will be streamlining
the process that posts go live (similarly to how we do it
for blogs).

MyHeartLost4U 56M
2337 posts
5/7/2006 3:35 pm

"luvpump replies on 5/7/2006 3:23 pm:
Just people will complain that their friends "disappeared" if we cut both links (can't please everyone)

Yes, once the code is cleaned up, we will be streamlining
the process that posts go live (similarly to how we do it
for blogs)."

I definitely see your point. Very logical.

I am looking forward to what is coming this week hopefully.

This is something I leave for you Andrew. [post 283957]

Your1DreamLover
Nick


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 4:42 pm:
Thanks!

toys2us 62M/62F
147 posts
5/7/2006 3:49 pm

Hi,
When we first signed on, we ended up waiting 2 months before excepting any invites as we were leaning what was what. So the 60 to 90 day makes sense. Two thumbs up on the break the network on both sides. Also like to see the trash empty every 30? days on declined invites.

Keep working on the speed!!
Thanks, Toys


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 4:45 pm:
Will do!

themisskrissy 61F
2302 posts
5/7/2006 6:10 pm

i just assumed that if i removed someone from my network i was removed from thiers.. silly me!!
i still want blocked members stopped from SEEING my profile or blog... as i say in my blog.. it is like letting peeping toms have access to your windows, even if they can't get thru the door..


Virtue Alone Ennobles


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 8:15 pm:
Looks like it's unanimous - I like when things are unanimous!

rm_mm0206 73F
7758 posts
5/7/2006 7:00 pm

when either member cuts the friend link, then friends would "disappear" from the member's list. I'm personally leaning towards making this change (feedback please?) but it will not be part of this release.

I think someone should have the ability to erase theirself from a friends network if they are deleting that friend.
and
I appreciate all your efforts and the AdultFriendFinder team.

..m.


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 8:16 pm:
Thx

papyrina 55F
21123 posts
5/8/2006 12:43 am

thanks hun


I'm a

and
i'm here to stay


Andrew replies on 5/8/2006 10:26 am:
THx

qyxx 64F
3348 posts
5/8/2006 2:34 pm

Thank you Andrew for all your efforts. I am not computer literate like some but I know that the kind of overhaul you are taking on is no simple task. I have noticed an improvement from the dead stop the whole group system was at before; there are still some problems but there has been some progress. I hope that the newly released upgrades will further enhance the group experience.

I think it is important if we all understood the capabilities of the system, we could come up with some ways to work with it. I speak for myself when I say that I am not looking for to have my wishlist addressed at this point. I just want to know what are the system capabilities.

Q.


qyxx 64F
3348 posts
5/8/2006 5:37 pm

However, some groups have an intro thread for new members. It would be nice if this could stay at the top or have a separate section

Q.


rm_justron9000 60M
1301 posts
5/8/2006 7:02 pm

He is finally acknowledging the system lags. So why not give him time to work on it. These attacks currently do not serve purpose.


Andrew replies on 5/8/2006 10:57 pm:
Thanks - we released new code on friendfinder today and
it seems to hold up. So Tuesday morning we'll do ALT.com
and OutPersonals and hopefully this site in afternoon
or Wednesday providing things go smooth.

redrobin012057 64F

5/8/2006 7:19 pm

Many *hugs* Andrew,I await patiently with demure poise


Andrew replies on 5/8/2006 10:57 pm:
Hopefully you can stand up soon

Andrew 53M  
1246 posts
5/8/2006 10:59 pm

Thanks for the feedback - we have a multiple prong strategy that will be rolled out soon. We don't want to block 100% of contact info sending, just people who send it out all the time before they get to know someone.


MyHeartLost4U 56M
2337 posts
5/9/2006 6:14 am

    Quoting Andrew:
    Thanks for the feedback - we have a multiple prong strategy that will be rolled out soon. We don't want to block 100% of contact info sending, just people who send it out all the time before they get to know someone.
I am also a member of Friendfinder and took a look at a Group I created there. I like the way the member listing page is done, but I do have one Q (question). Is there any possibility that a Member Handle search will be added to the Group Member Listing Page and Banned Member Page?

Reason I ask is that some groups have more then 10 pages of members and when need to ban or remove a banning from a member it is quite difficult to find them through all the pages. For my group of The Likeminded Ones that I moderate over I have 14 pages of banned members alone.

It would really help serious "Active Moderators" of Groups if there was a Member Handle Search as what is on the Blog section.


Nick


Vampaerus 45M
372 posts
5/9/2006 9:03 am

luvpump, as someone who used to code for a living, I am glad you are taking the time to weed through the code and trim the fat. I know first hand what a nitemare patches upon patches can be. Thanks for finally being frank about what is going on. It has given me new patience.

You asked for feedback about friends, I happen to agree with everyone else that once one end is gone, a link no longer exists and the other end needs to be cleaned up as well. By what many ladies have expressed, most will know well why their "friend" disappeared. From a code stand point here's a tip on double pointers. Follow the pointer BEFORE you delete it. ProfileA clicks delete on ProfileB. That's your pointer TO profile B. Follow it to open ProfileB, in *it's* friends DB search for ProfileA. Delete that link first. Then close ProfileB and delete the link in ProfileA. It *should* be cake but I know theory and practice can be two different beasts. Best of luck to ya! -V

(btw, I only recently discovered this blog. Will be chiming in more. Would also be more than happy to be on a parmanent feedback group/list)


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:18 am:
Yup, exactly how we're coding it

Vampaerus 45M
372 posts
5/9/2006 9:43 am

Oh yeah, one more thing. I think the Associate Member stuff is a cool idea. But there is one thing that I think would be far easier to code, and yet potentially alot more useful. That is giving moderators a link to simply REMOVE a member. Currently BAN is the only option. If a persons activity has fallen so low, moderators wish to just not see them, not have another list of clutter. And removing a member is essentially the same code as remove a friend. K.I.S.S. no?


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:19 am:
we launch in 34 hours, we'll see

rm_justron9000 60M
1301 posts
5/9/2006 4:45 pm

i am some what surprised that we did not take advantage of the line, "I'm not only the C.E.O..."


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:19 am:
I'll have to try that one day as a pickup line...

Toodela 63M
1746 posts
5/12/2006 9:33 am

Thank you for all the hard work. I can just imagine what a pleasure it will be to manage my group once the updates are completed.

ΓΏ


Honor has not to be won; it must only not be lost.

~One Minute in Life~



Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:23 am:
TMinus 2 days

kagey24 59F
393 posts
5/12/2006 10:30 am

Just wondering .. would it be possible to have in the member list a search box in order to find a member easier when wanting to ban someone ??? Is it possible to ban more than one member at a time ??

Kissing is my kinda language
{=}

Toronto BBW


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:24 am:
you'll get better sorting in 2 days... maybe search later

themisskrissy 61F
2302 posts
5/13/2006 1:33 pm

Andrew,
It is time someone did something about MeLikeKmunch and all his other fake profiles. I am sure many wouldn't care if he blogged his way to hell, but he is ABUSING the intent of the Advice Line, and verbally abuses members that oppose him.

While on the subject of the Advice Line, it is the complete shambles now. Not just the programming problems, but the misuse of many people including the above and niceguy20402. It no longer serves a real function of helping others with sex and relationship issues.

A number of members have left the site entirely over this, and many more are not renewing memberships they say. I would like to see the Advice Line survive. I learned from it, and helped many as well.

I would like to see a panel of members review the posts and submit only those that are legitimate. As it is now, you have a racist/sexist joker with around 200 threads, one women recently was soliciting "favors for favors", posts about incest and bestiality have come into it. muzby, livinlavalova, stealthceleb, MeLikeKmunch and now the new one Aminsexy25 ? something carrying out his nonsense.

Many members have made complaints to the Abuse team about Blogs and items in the magazine that are clearly viloations of the ToU, yet nothing seems to be done. Asking for some acknowledgement that these complaints are even being heard is ignored.

Does the Terms of Use exist only for the lawyers and Various Inc. and not for the members?

I know this is not the intent of this blog, but dammit many are getting fed up!

Thank you for listening,

tmk


Virtue Alone Ennobles


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